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hi everybody i'm bill burns yeah nancy

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welcome planet earth to paying radio

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tonight is sunday march 15 2015. we are

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two days away from one of my favorite

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holidays st patrick's day i am a quarter

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irish but i don't really party it up

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like i used to but we may have a green

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beer somehow some way drop a little food

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coloring in that drink and we're ready

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to go

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welcome to the show tonight we have

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a great great uh duel on tonight nancy

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and bill burns uh great people ken will

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be joining us live uh he's he's in

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traveling mode right now he's gonna

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check in with us at the detroit excuse

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me dallas airport

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and

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even open up the lines later too so as

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you know bill and nancy do future

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theater they've been doing the show for

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quite a few years now i believe since

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they were kind of uh

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you know it would be neat to start a

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show so they're kind of uh

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you know i look up to them as uh you

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broadcasters in the field here that it

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kind of helped me get started in it so

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um be great to have bill and nancy and

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we're gonna check in tonight see what

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they've been up to bill writes you know

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a lot of books nancy elsa's an author

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we'll check and see if they're doing uh

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see if they've done any shows bill does

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have a coast to coast

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show tonight at 1am so be sure you check

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in and bill will be on there we'll talk

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about that too on the air and stuff too

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but i'll tell you what i have a bunch of

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check-ins this week uh

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facebook kind of blew up and i did have

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to bring some in from last week so here

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here goes the list of check-ins for

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everybody

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from basically all over the planet this

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is this is pretty neat to see so last

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week we have joshua shank checking in

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from timberville virginia

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and big bird aka big bird from ontario

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canada anna is a is a long time listener

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inception radio network it's glad she's

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still listening and it was great to see

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her check in

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this one goes out to the gang at

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schiffer publishing outside of

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philadelphia pa

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and we have our own my my ex-co-worker

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but still a worker with my company sarah

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from mj's hometown superior wisconsin

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we have simon checking in from the uk

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martin jackson checking in from lincoln

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we have greg from bennington vermont

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marilyn carlson who is definitely

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awesome and helping us get some great

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great guests lined up for paying radio

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we also have robbie weber a fellow

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cheese head checking in from sheboygan

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wisconsin and we got trevor for trev

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three or four uk's and of course uh a

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from an aqua wisconsin so we got some

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cheese head representation today how

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do is i'm gonna do a little standby

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break i'm gonna bring ken in

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and i'm gonna bring bill and nancy and

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all at once so hang in everybody you're

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back with ken

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and nancy and bill burns so hang in

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okay welcome back to paying radio i have

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nancy on the line we will get bill in

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one second and i have ken in dallas in

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the dallas airport welcome guys

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hey how are you doing

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nancy how you been i mean what have you

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been up to let our listeners know well

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we have been uh sort of taking a week

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vacation and i'm having a heck of a time

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trying to get back into the swing of

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uh vacations are

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wow they're fun but boy

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have you ever found well ken ken is

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actually sitting in an airport so he

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knows of which is fort worth you know

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yeah it's so do you are you able to work

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all the time just keep your open up your

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lap book and your life is right there

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much people are living on their

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telephones just they're just i never

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salivating to get that you know the new

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uh it's uh and it's the first time i

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life you should try something you don't

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get my thing but yeah so

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so so nancy i'm still working on getting

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now you were working on a book uh last

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book yes i have i have finally well

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here's the thing um as as everybody

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knows it's a whole new world when it

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uh if you guys know

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you guys may personally know

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friends who've actually finally put it

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all together and made an e-book

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available for sale which is what i've

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no ebook so far so i'm learning how to

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uh it's killer hard i can tell you but i

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do have one yeah okay um i'm going to

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type for you i uh

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bill's skype name yes yeah

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perfect and as you as you can see i'm

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i'm transparent i if you send me a

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message don't ever don't don't ever send

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me a message saying don't talk about

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that because i'll say i'll say it right

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out loud oh okay no worries no no this

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is this is just a fun free-for-all show

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just kind of like the old days huh it's

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so i would say it's friday doc burns

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uh he he hardly ever uses his official

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titles but i think for skype he might be

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doc burns b-i-r-n-e-s okay try that and

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um

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uh or william

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geez

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on mine

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okay are you guys on on uh mac

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macintosh or on pc i'm on pc producing

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producing and

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uh ken is on phone

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okay so i i the thing is i don't

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understand how that one

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uh

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you know on the skype where you can find

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the guy's actual code name

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i've got him listed as try try

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w-m-b-i-r-n-e-s

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to two words i believe i have him here

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i'm going to add him he'll have to

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accept

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w are you trying w-m-b-i-r i got doc

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burns okay doc burns try that uh and

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then also try this other the uh hello

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people this is the way this is you said

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we've been on the air for five years we

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are celebrating our fifth anniversary

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and we are

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uh still learning the technology i think

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uh

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and and for anybody who thinks they want

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to do a radio show

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keep this in mind

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it gets tricky at times it sure does

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like so try capital w smaller case m

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space

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capital w a b i r n e s see if that see

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if that rings some burn spells yeah the

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first one worked i think he just says

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accept

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it did it did fall under his name yeah

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that's his uh wm burns so it did it you

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did have a skype name right so william

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parts okay but we'll wait for him to

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accept he's probably looking for the

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iron little chimer there we you know we

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we

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didn't can

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i know i know well that's what i'm

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saying it's really hard i'm telling you

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i don't know how

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how uh you know i heard you i heard you

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before you started as you were starting

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the show you were talking about facebook

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and so

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you've become a fabulous facebook person

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right i have i think i'd spend some too

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much time on it sometimes but it's great

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to spread it's easy to talk about it and

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get the network out i mean it's a good

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way to do it well how do you deal with

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stuff that you don't really that

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does stuff come across your facebook

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page that kind of

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to use a word does it pan your heart

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does it do you see stuff that from old

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boyfriends and girlfriends and

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old uh

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do you see stuff that you

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that makes you that makes you sad i see

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i see i see

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i see news and videos that people are

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posting that make me sad societal stuff

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right yeah i mean that that that is i

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don't i try not to watch the news feed

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because

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how do you avoid it i just don't look at

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it

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well how do you

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do any facebook

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i do see it go ahead ken

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well i i was just saying i i have a

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facebook page but i don't update it and

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there's a lot of information on her

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that's erroneous okay and i don't

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interact that much on facebook i i'm i'm

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not a social media

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uh person emails yes you know cell

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phones yes text a little bit but for the

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most part i'm not a social media type of

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person well do you guys remember the

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no

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was yeah it was uh it was my space

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right and before that do you ever

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remember being on the internet before

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you ever

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you know and so those those two

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phenomenons myspace and facebook are

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only two locations two sites

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that you know they're not actually

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places that i i spend very much time and

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what about your listeners are um you

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pinged off so many so it does look like

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it's a thing people still

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do right mm-hmm

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yeah yeah yep you're gonna have to learn

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it yup i don't see bill do you did you

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get bill i haven't got bill yet but i

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did send the request okay you know what

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i may

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um would you like me to

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well we could take if if we take a break

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i can go upstairs which is where he is

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and uh bang on the door and lift his

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mouse hand off of one thing and put it

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on

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we will we will do that guys we'll take

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a break we'll come back and get bill on

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tonight we have on bill and nancy burns

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and we were able to get bill on the air

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welcome to paying radio bill oh thank

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you so much mj uh i for some reason i

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didn't have you in my

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connections on skype so i'm sorry it

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took so long but uh i'm glad to be here

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glad to be talking to my old friend ken

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stewart that's for sure right right and

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ditto here too absolutely

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yeah go ahead ken well i was just saying

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that uh listen as we were discussing i

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i'm coming back from albuquerque i gave

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a a talk

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at the university of new mexico west

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campus and rio rancho is where i was

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actually and it was a packed audience

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what was the topic

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if um it was uh

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looking at the i i don't use the term

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ufos very often

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but it was looking at the ufo problem to

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the eyes of law enforcement is what the

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the subject matter was and

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uh the question came up

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that the episode of ufo hunters where we

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were filming

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uh outside the gate of dugway and we

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interacted with the base police came

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screaming off the base red lights and

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siren and the officer gets out of his

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car with his hand

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on his uh service weapon his arm

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extended because we started approaching

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him and he said oh stand right there you

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can't be filming here i need to

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confiscate the cameras in the film and

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uh it got pretty intense here for a

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couple of seconds anyway didn't it bill

483
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yes it sure did so basically uh

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obviously you walk up you say good

485
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afternoon officer what can i help you

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with

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uh

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and he's furious

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and he says well why are you here he was

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out here

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yeah he's saying you're filming inside

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the base you know he's were you guys on

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private property nope we were on public

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actually we were right off the county

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road on bureau of land management land

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which is which is public property there

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was a uh mormon church right across the

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road from us and we were in like a

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parking lot area and we were probably

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maybe two miles maybe a mile and a half

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from the main gate of the base you could

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see it from where we were it was plain

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invisible there wasn't any obstructions

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and you know if you ever

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question whether there's a ufo

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phenomenon it's almost like an invisible

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bubble but but when you hit the side of

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the bubble just like that

509
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you know something's up this is weirder

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than just

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you know you're on private land or

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you're you know you're parking in the

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wrong spot this is what hand on the

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weapon weird

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yes it is

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it is and the episode that we were doing

517
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there was the men in black episode and

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um

519
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and there had been an encounter with bob

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and i at dugway uh with uh with

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people or two guys anyway dressed all in

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black and we were starting the interview

523
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right there and this police officer cop

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uh come screaming off base red lights

525
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and siren i mean it was like he was a

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that was cold tree in law enforcement

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terms okay and george and doug i know

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you guys are listening you know what i'm

529
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talking about i mean he was warped

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factor five out of the main gate comes

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screaming into the parking lot red

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lights and siren blaze and gets out of

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his car hand on his weapon arm extended

534
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because we started walking towards and

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you'll stay right there don't come any

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closer you can't film here i'm gonna

537
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have to uh confiscate your uh camera and

538
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the film and don't you take it from

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there because you you basically uh

540
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talked to the officer more than what was

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his what was his badge what was his um

542
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area that he was based police military

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base police i mean that was his job he

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was a police officer

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at dugway

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and so i approached him and i said

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what's the problem and he said you can't

548
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film here and i said well where we're

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standing

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is bureau of management land it's not

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it's not federal military preserve this

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00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,559
is uh this is blm land and

553
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,039
we have shooting permits so he gets all

554
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,480
flustered and says let me see those

555
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:29,760
permits so

556
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,679
um i got the permits i think from um

557
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,840
our field coordinator

558
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,840
and showed it to him and they were

559
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,679
perfectly in order

560
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,600
he said well you're filming inside the

561
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,520
base we said the cameras aren't even on

562
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:45,200
how can we film

563
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:48,559
inside the bay so he was flummoxed

564
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,200
he calls his captain

565
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,280
this guy comes in

566
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:55,679
big handlebar mustache looking like

567
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,029
yeah and so and so he basically starts

568
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,200
to read us the riot act and we said we

569
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,280
understand we can't film on the base

570
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,120
that's not what we're doing we're right

571
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,240
here state of utah bureau of management

572
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,880
land with shooting permits and we're

573
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:16,559
shooting ourselves

574
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,000
now what happened how we captured all

575
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,039
that footage was that our cameraman our

576
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,679
b cameraman brian garrity

577
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:28,720
um can you remember the scene

578
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,440
in the china syndrome when michael

579
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,159
douglas as the cameraman when people are

580
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,240
screaming at jane fonda and michael

581
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:38,799
douglas you can't film you can't film

582
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:42,320
douglas had the camera down by his knee

583
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,200
aimed it at the board where jack lemmon

584
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,880
was trying to figure out what was going

585
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,480
on with the um

586
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:50,960
nuclear reactor and began filming well

587
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,080
brian garrity did the same thing he held

588
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,799
the camera down and he's filming the

589
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,120
interaction and i might so we could hear

590
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,440
the whole thing

591
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,400
he is filming the entire encounter

592
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,960
so then the police captain shows up and

593
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,640
we say we don't understand what's wrong

594
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,520
captain we're just here on blm land just

595
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,039
us mice

596
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,200
not bothering anybody

597
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,279
but we have got some questions for you

598
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,919
sir about what's going on at this space

599
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,720
well the captain gets freaked out so he

600
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,960
calls the base public information

601
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,279
officer this tiny little person real

602
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:28,720
sweetie pie

603
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,559
shows up she'd been up all night doing

604
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,000
some other

605
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,000
press work

606
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,000
and she starts talking to us about and

607
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:39,600
this was like

608
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,039
a golden rainbow opened up for the pio

609
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,679
of one of the most secretive

610
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,559
military bases in the country

611
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,400
showing up on camera to talk about

612
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,600
that's kind of an opportunity to see

613
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:53,679
moronic job if she's got to be the

614
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:57,760
public relations officer of a secret

615
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,120
see right now let ken answer that yeah

616
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,960
i'm sorry i i was distracted by the

617
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,720
announcement go ahead what did you ask

618
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,880
no what we're saying no what nancy asked

619
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,159
was is it an

620
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,240
oxymoron for a

621
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,559
highly top-secret base to have a public

622
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,679
information officer well yeah and and uh

623
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,200
just so our listeners understand

624
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,960
something dugway

625
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,880
is the largest

626
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,440
encompasses more land than any other

627
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,720
base in the continental united states

628
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:29,039
really that's and that's incredibly area

629
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,480
51.

630
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,080
yeah

631
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:35,039
it is it is it is huge

632
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,000
well

633
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,400
you were you said you just uh gave a

634
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,880
talk at the university of new mexico

635
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,360
at west campus yes well are they

636
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,679
actually touching upon the ufo subject

637
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,279
in universities

638
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,760
it was publicized it was uh it was a

639
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,080
small lecture hall it happened probably

640
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,520
120

641
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,640
uh people and it was packed

642
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,799
wow and you've heard stanton friedman

643
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,120
talk about how packed his audiences

644
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,520
constantly are so young people are still

645
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,679
interested in this topic

646
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,320
there was a number of uh college

647
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,480
students and local residents in the area

648
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,880
of albuquerque that showed up and uh

649
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:13,840
yeah

650
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,080
a fact but it looked like there was a

651
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,320
couple of uh professors in the audience

652
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,279
too in fact one of the one question came

653
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,840
from um a gentleman that

654
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:27,840
teaches at the west campus there about

655
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,880
the ufo uh hunter episode that we were

656
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,880
talking about right right

657
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,840
well did you get a lot of um

658
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,520
debunker type questions like this is

659
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:38,880
just bs

660
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:42,080
no no no it was uh and all in all it was

661
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,400
very very positive it was uh um i think

662
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,520
probably

663
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,200
if i had to give a percentage i'd say

664
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,039
somewhere between 80 and 90 of the

665
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,320
people were were believers wow nice

666
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:56,960
nice yeah and uh

667
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,159
i reference uh you know i i think i i

668
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,200
may have

669
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,279
wrinkled some feathers when i said when

670
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,120
when people tell you that there is no

671
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,799
scientific proof

672
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,640
and i said you have to go look at

673
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,480
project identification as it's one of

674
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,360
the largest scientific uh

675
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,480
uh examination of the ufo enigma it was

676
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,120
done by a major university and nobody's

677
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,600
nobody say that again what what is it

678
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,360
they say it again

679
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:26,240
project identification and it was done

680
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,400
by professor harley rutledge and he was

681
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,279
head of the physics department uh at

682
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,159
southeast missouri state and and

683
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,600
yeah wait what

684
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,000
when did he do this

685
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,720
it was 1973 is when it took place

686
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,390
in order to work uh to be a part of his

687
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,120
team and he had 26 people you had to

688
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,600
have a graduate degree uh working on

689
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:56,080
your ms or your or your uh doctorate

690
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,120
degree

691
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,600
so you know

692
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,440
it wasn't ken stewart's police officer

693
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,440
that was allowed to be on the

694
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,880
scientific team

695
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:08,080
okay 26 people he had three stations he

696
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,120
employed

697
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,080
uh some of the most high-tech equipment

698
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,640
at the time including infrared cameras

699
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,600
uh electromagnetic uh detectors he had

700
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,480
an airborne unit that had radar uh the

701
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,039
pilot was a phd and the radar operator

702
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,360
uh in 1973 i'm writing all this down

703
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,880
right now uh

704
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,240
and how can you get

705
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,559
product a project identification and how

706
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,080
and you this is under the auspices of

707
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,159
the university

708
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,399
right i'm sorry what this is under the

709
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,200
auspices of the university uh the

710
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,840
initial funding for the first 17 months

711
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,399
it lasted for almost five years

712
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,200
the first 17 months

713
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:50,000
was funded by the university of missouri

714
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,960
uh

715
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,279
and then it was picked up by saint louis

716
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,240
post-dispatch and kmlx

717
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:57,200
radio

718
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,320
wow yeah yeah wow and and i i have a a

719
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,640
copy of the hardback book was given to

720
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,679
me today or yesterday at albuquerque

721
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,080
and um well have you started to to look

722
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
to see what's online from this book

723
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,559
oh yeah yeah i i found out about this

724
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,240
book four years ago nancy i didn't even

725
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,880
know that the the scientific uh

726
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,200
uh study had been done i never had no no

727
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:22,880
neither and this is fascinating stuff

728
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,840
and so uh was this a a thorough or

729
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,960
what was the results of this

730
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:29,120
investigation what did they say

731
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,559
out of 864 objects that they witnessed

732
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,240
over this five-year period that they

733
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:36,000
recorded that they were they saw more

734
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,640
but he only uh in his paper analysis he

735
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:42,240
referenced only the objects that they

736
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,279
were able to uh record out of 864 82 of

737
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,240
them he felt that professor harley

738
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,480
rutledge looked that not only were they

739
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,399
constructed craft but they were under

740
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:56,159
intelligent control

741
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,120
and

742
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,279
in 16 of the encounters the the craft

743
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,120
interacted with the observers on the

744
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,360
ground they would flash lights and then

745
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,440
the flashlights back it sounds like the

746
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,000
comedo report doesn't it

747
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,840
yeah you know

748
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,159
in other words it's a it's some and it's

749
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,919
it's in university of missouri i never

750
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,399
heard of this and i think rutledge

751
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,399
harley rutledge his name does ring about

752
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,520
he might be in the file someplace but

753
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,200
the reason i'm asking is it online

754
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,919
because if this is in 1973

755
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:29,600
somebody has to physically scan all

756
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,120
those pages in and oc are them right

757
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,279
oh i would think so absolutely might it

758
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,510
i have the uh hard hardback copy of the

759
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,520
book that was uh that's what i'm that's

760
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,000
what i'm saying see

761
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,799
but but uh yeah i was very honored to

762
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,399
receive the book

763
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:52,159
you know you know you you're you're

764
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,080
missing what i'm saying you may be the

765
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:55,919
guy who has to stand in front of a

766
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,240
scanner and open every page

767
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,039
yeah really really oh yeah absolutely i

768
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,880
think this needs to get out because like

769
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,000
i said i've been

770
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,799
involved in the flying saucer enigma for

771
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,679
since 19 since 1973 when i was in the

772
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,159
air force and i never heard of this

773
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,080
project identification it was done

774
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,559
scientifically by a major university

775
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,799
ryan me either yeah in 1973 and it

776
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,399
should be this should be front page this

777
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,159
is like blue book as i said or the

778
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,679
united states version of project

779
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:28,399
comedian the kubato report

780
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,520
which is

781
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:31,200
belgian i think

782
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,320
french

783
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,640
from france

784
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,159
but uh well i and i think it goes to

785
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,399
to the root of the problem is that

786
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:41,360
there's

787
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,279
a lot of ignorance concerning this

788
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,960
right or denial

789
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,799
it's willful too

790
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,320
yeah it is willful one of the things

791
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:54,399
that peter sturrock um

792
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:57,760
who was part of the pokentico hills

793
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,679
lawrence rockefeller study said was that

794
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:03,760
what piqued his interest

795
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,559
was jacques valet saying to him that

796
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,799
there were so many astronomers

797
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,399
who actually

798
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,000
saw ufos in between them and the objects

799
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,679
they were photographing they were

800
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,200
actually getting annoyed somebody get

801
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,679
that lousy flying saucer out of my lens

802
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:22,399
and so peter starrock asked valet well

803
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:23,279
why

804
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,880
these are

805
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,640
important astronomers at important

806
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,399
institutions why don't they say

807
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,799
something and valee had a very very

808
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,640
pointed answer he said

809
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,919
where do most if not all astronomers get

810
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,640
the funding for their projects

811
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:42,480
they get it from the government

812
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,000
so if the so if you're going to say on

813
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,799
government money i'm looking at a ufo in

814
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,440
my telescope that you paid for or that

815
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,760
you paid to maintain guess what you're

816
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,600
going to lose you're going to lose your

817
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,360
funding yeah but there must be anything

818
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,960
else put up with this if it's that

819
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,480
common there must be a procedure for

820
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,399
dealing with it though

821
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,720
yeah there is you shut up that's the

822
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,640
procedure don't talk about it yeah

823
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,880
exactly well i i think a lot of that's

824
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,919
true intimidation uh a lot of the

825
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,440
a lot of the funding

826
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,720
comes from the federal government

827
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,880
concerning these universities

828
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,200
they have a they have a stranglehold on

829
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,440
on that type of information well you

830
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,480
know bill is right now on a show called

831
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,200
nasa's secret files something like that

832
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,279
is unexplained files right it's on

833
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:31,760
discovery channel and it's almost as

834
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,480
good as ufo hunters i have to say um

835
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:36,880
they really seem to be not bringing in

836
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,480
debunkers telling the true stories but

837
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,919
it's nasa

838
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,279
and they have stanton and they have

839
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,120
billa's talking heads and lots and lots

840
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,760
of other folks do you think bill that

841
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,679
this is a true story i mean i mean

842
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,200
you're sitting on the couch watching it

843
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,840
you were part part of it

844
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,919
how different or like ufo hunters is

845
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,519
this well believe it well first of all

846
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,679
it's not at all like ufo hunters but but

847
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,120
the thing is

848
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,240
that in this latest episode that

849
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:07,120
um was from last week i was actually the

850
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,560
debunker

851
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,320
it was funny i was actually in the role

852
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,480
of the debunker in the cash landrum

853
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:13,520
story

854
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,399
while

855
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,440
the show itself was pushing the ufo

856
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,240
explanation and this all had to do with

857
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,879
um and can you probably remember this

858
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,079
after

859
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,079
jimmy carter's attempt to rescue the

860
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,760
hostages at the from the american

861
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,399
embassy in tehran failed because there

862
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,480
was no communication between the various

863
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,320
armed services that were part of the

864
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,480
special operations mission the

865
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,800
helicopters didn't really have night

866
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:40,320
vision for this i mean there were a

867
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,599
whole bunch of problems a whole new unit

868
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:45,760
under the joint services operations

869
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,520
command under jsoc was created

870
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,440
called the black called the nighthawks

871
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:53,359
the blackhawk helicopters the stealth

872
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,200
helicopters uh team 160 right um we own

873
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:58,560
the night

874
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:01,839
that was the group that was carrying

875
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,800
this burning nuclear reactor

876
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,280
south of houston over this highway when

877
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:09,839
betty cash and vicki landrum and kobe

878
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,880
landrum were in a car passing underneath

879
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,599
and the person who told us this about

880
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,920
this or at least gave us the direction

881
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:19,599
like a deep throat

882
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:23,040
was the head of texas air national guard

883
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,320
because

884
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:26,640
units were pulled from the texas air

885
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,440
national guard to join in this convoy of

886
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,720
helicopters escorting this device

887
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,839
chained to helicopters out over the gulf

888
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:38,160
where they dropped it in the water

889
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,359
and so we

890
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,000
yes so we knew this and then when we

891
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,599
were filming on

892
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:45,520
long island

893
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,400
for the brookhaven episode

894
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,000
someone who

895
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,160
identified himself as a non-official

896
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:54,960
cover officer for the cia said

897
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,760
that that whole operation

898
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,760
was planned out of the intelligence

899
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:01,839
support unit for the joint services

900
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,880
operations command because it was so

901
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,440
classified that the united states

902
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,520
military was working on

903
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:10,800
small

904
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,960
suitcase sized nuclear reactors to power

905
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,359
these personal um

906
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,200
aeronautical devices

907
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,240
it didn't work the project failed they

908
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,480
couldn't shield the occupants it just

909
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,400
turned out to be an epic failure and

910
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
this was one of the pieces of failure

911
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
from that operation

912
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,400
well it's interesting you say that

913
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,400
because i know when i reinvestigated the

914
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,440
cash landing case about four to five

915
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,480
weeks prior to the to the encounter

916
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:43,680
with uh betty and vicky and colby there

917
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,560
were reports coming in all over the gulf

918
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,320
as a result of

919
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,359
seeing helicopters and this huge bright

920
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:54,000
object um

921
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,160
with you know either hanging or being

922
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,160
escorted by the helicopters and i always

923
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,000
did i always did feel and i told uh

924
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:03,680
betty cash and vicki landry have since

925
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,839
passed but i always felt that it was a

926
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,839
uh a us device that what they

927
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,480
encountered right it was messy it made

928
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,280
them very sick it was

929
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,920
yeah i interviewed i think it was dr

930
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,640
anderson he's like one of the world's

931
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,119
leading uh doctors at the time he

932
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,680
treated betty right he treated better

933
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,280
he did he happened to be in the

934
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,000
emergency room when she went there she

935
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,560
had water blisters on her face and on

936
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,920
her hands because she's the only one

937
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,760
that really got out of the car and he

938
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,760
recognized radiation poisoning right

939
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,000
away and his first question was how does

940
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,280
a a woman in rural texas get radiation

941
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,200
poisoning how does that happen

942
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,400
exactly

943
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,440
i asked him specifically i said how bad

944
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,359
was and he said well

945
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:53,200
he said it was equivalent to her being

946
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:58,000
within a mile of hiroshima detonation

947
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,800
wow

948
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,240
exactly

949
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,880
well can you extrapolate then how much

950
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,760
radiation that was putting out

951
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,079
well i can tell you this much

952
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,240
it it melted the pavement which was

953
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,079
blacktop and that was only place that

954
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,480
was very for a hundred yards in either

955
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,880
direction where the craft or the object

956
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,280
touched down and all of the trees when i

957
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,400
was there had been removed for at least

958
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,480
an eighth of a mile in every direction

959
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,480
wow that's right i mean and john

960
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,160
schussler john schussler had

961
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,800
investigated this as well for a mufon

962
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,920
and and and and he noticed that

963
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,480
everything about the official reports

964
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:38,160
was wrong

965
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,200
that

966
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,480
the location was the wrong location

967
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,040
there had been so much road work done

968
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:47,359
on the spot where betty cash stopped the

969
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,400
car

970
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,240
that it was clear that somebody was

971
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,480
trying to cover something up new asphalt

972
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:54,960
new paving material somebody really

973
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,920
worked hard to cover this up well i had

974
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,480
located witnesses that actually saw

975
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,280
these bright yellow dump trucks

976
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,560
uh hauling the asphalt away

977
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:08,720
and the county in the state of texas

978
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,079
didn't have those types of trucks

979
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,680
yeah wow

980
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,839
yeah that's right and and and the other

981
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,440
aspect was that

982
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,240
other people observed the lit object as

983
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,079
well there was a sheriff's officer i

984
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,400
think he was actually the sheriff or

985
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,200
maybe a deputy at that time um he told

986
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,200
us flat out he was driving along another

987
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:31,040
part of the road it was the other side

988
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:32,079
from where

989
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,960
uh

990
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,920
betty was driving and he saw the object

991
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,400
and he's and he identified

992
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,320
the helicopters he said yeah we see them

993
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:42,960
all the time those types of craft out of

994
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:48,790
so this was

995
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,079
something that yeah ch47

996
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,200
you know which is uh the twin rotor

997
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,560
i talked to

998
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,040
a police officer in the nearby town and

999
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,839
he saw at least a half a dozen of those

1000
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,400
ch-47 type helicopters

1001
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,920
flying in a like a circular pattern

1002
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,720
excuse me he never saw

1003
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,119
he never saw the object but he did with

1004
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,200
this the helicopter activity well ken

1005
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,520
did you recognize any of the pr

1006
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,280
in project identification did you

1007
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,839
recognize any of the cases

1008
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:23,440
no

1009
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:23,920
so wow

1010
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,320
wow all new ones then for us

1011
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,079
yeah and and and there are several

1012
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,839
photographs that were taken with

1013
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,520
high-speed cameras

1014
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,920
of what appears to be and you know of

1015
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,280
course i'm

1016
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:37,440
probably um

1017
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,480
you know

1018
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,480
contaminated in the sense that i believe

1019
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000
in flying saucers but they look like

1020
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,160
science soft systems i'm sorry but

1021
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,000
that's what they look like right

1022
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,200
right

1023
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:49,680
and there there's no photoshop back then

1024
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,400
for

1025
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,720
all young folks here this was taken with

1026
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,800
high speed film black and white 35

1027
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,760
millimeter with telephoto lens right

1028
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,280
okay and they were you know they were

1029
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:02,400
sitting on the camera i mean on tripods

1030
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,839
uh i i heard that there was film taken

1031
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,079
eight millimeter uh film but i have not

1032
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,359
seen that i have not been able to

1033
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,800
confirm that

1034
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,319
but but

1035
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,000
well you know the um the blue book

1036
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,319
investigation is is now the entire blue

1037
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,160
book is now online i think because of

1038
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,640
john greenwald

1039
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,319
he has the thing called the black vault

1040
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,880
he used to be the youngest person to

1041
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,280
ever really take all this information

1042
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:29,119
and put it online for folks back in the

1043
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,079
day

1044
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:33,040
now he's middle-aged but he was a young

1045
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,640
a young oh yeah he had uh the fbi showed

1046
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,079
up at his house and talked to his

1047
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,480
parents about what he was doing he was

1048
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,720
filing all these foyer requests

1049
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,400
right right right right i didn't know

1050
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,319
that i thought yeah

1051
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,319
wow i should have actually have we

1052
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,920
should have we have never had him on our

1053
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,520
show we should really talk to him i

1054
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,640
should have been he was one of our

1055
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,400
producers yeah he's a business oh yeah

1056
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,680
he was he was he was one of our

1057
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,440
producers in uh

1058
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,920
in season three and season two on ufo

1059
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,319
hunters he was he was very active well

1060
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,240
we've been actually getting getting new

1061
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,040
guests based on young people now going

1062
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,200
over the recently released blue book

1063
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,040
it's like people are

1064
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,560
you know that's public information it's

1065
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,240
our own public

1066
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,119
record you can go through it and uh

1067
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:19,040
and open up some of these cases that the

1068
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,160
government

1069
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,760
at least i'm going to make a prediction

1070
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:23,680
and this is strictly a gut feeling based

1071
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,800
upon what i'm feeling and seeing i think

1072
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,319
we're going to have another major

1073
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,079
incident that's going to spark a whole

1074
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,079
lot of interest like another kenneth

1075
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,720
arnold maybe another roswell but i think

1076
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,880
we're going to have another event

1077
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,520
uh that's going to take place that is

1078
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,160
going to capture the attention not only

1079
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,160
of people here and younger people in the

1080
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,680
united states but probably of the world

1081
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,960
i think

1082
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,440
i feel it coming don't you

1083
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,520
yeah absolutely yeah you know the more

1084
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,440
that we send more and more probes and

1085
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,520
more and more they begin to pull you

1086
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,280
know mars and venus now they want to go

1087
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:00,720
to some of the moons around saturn

1088
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,359
the more we venture into this uh

1089
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,680
sea called space especially in our own

1090
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,280
solar system i think we're going to find

1091
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,880
that we're going to have the encounter

1092
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,119
and i think this is just my gut feeling

1093
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,200
i think the vatican knows this that's

1094
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,440
why they changed their stance i also

1095
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,040
think that nasa and the government

1096
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
realize that they can only keep the

1097
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,119
living on the kettle for so long

1098
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,280
yeah i think you're absolutely right

1099
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,880
i was thinking all of this when i was

1100
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:29,200
watching that stuff why is nasa fronting

1101
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:30,240
a show

1102
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,839
on one hand uh you expect them to they

1103
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,520
have the money they have the facilities

1104
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,440
but you expect them to totally debunk

1105
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:39,920
everything you don't expect them to

1106
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,040
suggest for even the moon landing that

1107
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:45,359
nasa did they didn't make the

1108
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:46,240
uh

1109
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,200
let's say

1110
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,800
guys i'm getting the evil live from the

1111
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,160
flight attendant we're getting ready to

1112
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,800
pull away from the gate so i go

1113
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,880
hey nancy bill i want to hook up with

1114
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,960
you guys 10k it's up for you to run with

1115
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,680
the ball with these two no problem

1116
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,839
okay okay okay ken we will talk this

1117
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,839
week i've got something for you yeah i

1118
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:09,520
got something for you too sir so we'll

1119
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,640
low we'll exchange okay yeah okay

1120
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,040
have a safe trip yeah you got you guys

1121
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,800
you guys be safe and enjoy the evening

1122
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,880
hey once again thanks for coming on and

1123
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,480
thanks again to our listeners appreciate

1124
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,480
it very much wow that is so cool thank

1125
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:23,520
you ken

1126
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,000
that is such a cool radio moment you

1127
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,760
know i'm on the plane i got to close it

1128
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:29,040
down i mean

1129
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,880
that see that's the thing that's why i

1130
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,480
think something's going to be

1131
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,480
uh i think ken's absolutely right

1132
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,680
something's going to happen probably

1133
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,640
this year the internet demands it the

1134
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,040
internet is ready there you know there

1135
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,839
are radio shows that you can listen to

1136
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,160
now that we'll talk about it not just

1137
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,160
one or two shows at the end of the